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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 25, 2013 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Help

Hi all,

I am not sure if I want to write this or not, or what I hope to get. My family has a crisis. It occurred to me that it is the type of crisis some people here might know something about.

My son – 19, turning 20 in a few weeks – is having some strange symptoms. Delusional thinking, basically. We took him to the emergency room a couple of weeks ago after he began telling us very frightening things – delusions of grandeur, basically, and some weird mystical stuff too.

We are utterly terrified. He is seeing a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist thinks, given sudden onset, no family history of mental illness, and some admitted drug use, that it is drug related. He had been seeing a therapist and had an evaluation a few months ago, just to try to help him get his head on straight about school, career, goals, etc., as he had been a bit undirected, but nothing particularly serious. The evaluation did not highlight anything at all worrisome; suggested counseling to help manage school work, that sort of thing. He tests at a very high IQ, and did reasonably well in school, but never really much cared for it. He goes to community college, and does fairly mediocre work (well below his ability). He also had a big disappointment last fall which I won’t go into, but something he had hoped to be able to do fell through, through no fault of his own, and it was a big blow to him.

He has been smoking pot since the last few months of high school. More than I thought was good, personally, but I didn’t know about any other drugs. He now says he took ecstasy “once, a year ago.” I suspect it was more often (and the therapist, without wanting to violate confidences, hints this as well ...)

My question for forumites is this: what the hell is in the weed now? One theory we are working from is that he may have gotten pot laced with something else. And what about the ecstasy? Googling this = terror.

Is there anyone reading this who is knowledgeable about this these days? Or about what else the kids are smoking or doing??????? Street drugs etc. Any ideas about what he might have gotten, possibly without knowing what it was?

For a few weeks after Christmas, when all his buddies were around, there were a lot of late nights and we suspect whatever it was happened then.

I know I can’t diagnose him by Internet. We, his parents, are terrified beyond anything I can describe. I am barely able to eat or sleep. Searching for answers, anywhere, everywhere.

Also, does anyone here know anything about DMT (the psychedelic)?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 25, 2013 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

I'm so, so sorry you and your son and family are going through that. I can't help a lot, but many years ago I had a close friend who had a break with reality. He had been smoking a lot of pot, etc., and began having delusions, even hearing voices.

He got help, even spent time in a facility where he had an extremely scary diagnosis (schizophrenia), but even an outcome that extreme didn't turn out to be some kind of eternal door slamming: he got through it and in time was absolutely fine and there was just no way you'd ever guess that this guy had once been diagnosed as schizophrenic. I knew him AFTER all of that happened.

I can think of other people, too, who at one point had delusions and were diagnosed bipolar (generally in late teens/early 20s) ... one was a professor ... but certainly not people ultimately destroyed by it. In fact, they talked about it. Everyone has some suck-y aspects of personal history, and sometimes that includes mental health issues, but it doesn't have to be destructive or "defining" of a person's whole life.

And yeah, today's drug stuff is scary, but it always was. There was always crap you could get in pot (like PCP or strychnine), or added to acid, or in all the other stuff that was around. Dangerous additives and dumb new drugs aren't new, and that's bad, but it always was. I'm not sure it's "more" dangerous, really, than "back in the day." The names are just less familiar to Our Generation. Internet is helpful in finding things out, but it's also a Scare Fest. Look up medical sites and you'll end up thinking maybe you've got 10 types of cancer. I know you'll be googling obsessively, and should be, but remember to keep it in perspective and keep breathing :-)

What's really important is that he's got you and your husband around and you're not in denial, you're seeing the issues and getting him the help he needs and will be there on that road with him. Maybe it will be a short road with a semi-easy outcome, maybe longer, and I'm sure it seems dark and full of potholes (that can look like crevasses in the dark), but anyway you're there for him and it's 2013 when people know a LOT more than even a few years ago.

That really was brave to post. Hugs and good energy from here ...... !!!






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Poster: fenario80 Date: Feb 25, 2013 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help


Ring, I don't really have anything to contribute except that I'm really sorry to hear this.

I'm not a mental-health professional, and I'm sure you've read all the same things I have about the links between psychosis and pot, and how pot today is like 1000 times stronger than it used to be. Then there are the brand new drugs like synthetic pot and bath salts. So please don't try to figure this out for yourself - there's just too many possibilities, and too many different ways to scare the crap out of yourself.

I have no interest in scaring you, either, but have any of the professionals used the word schizophrenia? They probably don't throw that around too freely, but just from his age, it seems like it would be a possibility.

Were all his buddies home from college for the holidays? If he's the academic underachiever, and he sees his friends now out doing things in the world, while he feels left behind, living in his parent's house and going to the local junior college - that seems like it could be an insane amount of stress.

Wishing you all the very best possible outcome ...

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 4, 2013 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

I'm sorry to hear about this all to common problem.

I would emphasis that you love your son no matter what. Most kids are not quite honest anout their use and abuse, and can be embarrassed especially in this situation.

Finding healing is the primary direction that should be sought. I would encourage you to find a talented healer in your area, some one that can feel and attune to your sons body chemistry, especially the subtle parts of the brain stem, and pineal, pituitary glands. Balancing the system and grounding his energy with a talented practitioner can bring him back.

I would recommend finding a Barbara Brennan school of healing teacher that is in your area or a university of spiritual healing and sufism teacher. A healing retreat would be ideal,
http://sufiuniversity.org/events/healing-intensive-retreat/

Message me back your location and any other questions.
Peace

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 4, 2013 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

Thank you. I will do. To all, I am sorry not to have posted an update or responded to all the posts, but I will shortly. Things are looking up.

Everyone's support and good thoughts here have really meant the world to me.

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Poster: utopian Date: Mar 4, 2013 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

I'm sorry to hear about this all to common problem.

I would emphasis that you love your son no matter what. Most kids are not quite honest anout their use and abuse, and can be embarrassed especially in this situation.

Finding healing is the primary direction that should be sought. I would encourage you to find a talented healer in your area, some one that can feel and attune to your sons body chemistry, especially the subtle parts of the brain stem, and pineal, pituitary glands. Balancing the system and grounding his energy with a talented practitioner can bring him back.

I would recommend finding a Barbara Brennan school of healing teacher that is in your area or a university of spiritual healing and sufism teacher. A healing retreat would be ideal,
http://sufiuniversity.org/events/healing-intensive-retreat/

Message me back your location and any other questions.
Peace

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 26, 2013 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

Thoughts and prayers, Ring.
This is a tough situation and I wish I could offer you something more, but I'll leave the insights and diagnosis/remedy suggestions to those that are way wiser than me. Wishing you and your family all the best. We are here if you need to lean on us further!

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Poster: boat man Date: Feb 26, 2013 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

I ,too, am deeply sorry to hear of your troubles and can't imagine what you are going through.
Years ago I suppose I knew at least a few people who had similar symptoms; one who believed that he was an angel so clearly that he was pretty convincing.
One other, still, who accidentally absorbed a huge amount of a drug described it as being stuck in that omniscient feeling when peaking. A feeling that he didn't want to give up.
In both those cases the individuals came back to earth, after a while. Both were changed, as well, but I couldn't say it was either for the better or the worse. All experiences change us.
I would assume that you have scoured his "buddies" for clues.
In any event, I believe that the surest path to daylight is with patience and love.
I wish for you the strength to fight despair and hope to read that all is well soon.

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Poster: reviewr Date: Mar 1, 2013 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

I'm FAR from being an expert on this, but I was a psychology major in college. Many mental illnesses show themselves in the late teens and early twenties.

I think you need to forget about the drug possibilities, and see a professional about mental illness. There is no shame, and lots that can be done now.

Peace.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Feb 26, 2013 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

Hey Ring -

You sound worried to death. I'm so sorry for your angst and having to deal with this tough situation.

I have smoked most of my adult life, and this in no way sounds like THC to me. My 2 cents - it's some type of synthetic.

Maybe it would be easier in some way to rule things out.

It does not sound like:

Blow
Pot
Doses or shrooms
MDMA or X
Alcohol
Synthetic Cannabinoids - the JWH-xxx stuff.

It sounds like to me MDPV or Mephedrone to me. They both work on norepinephrine and dopamine(which in high doses will most definately cause delerium and really weird behavior) and are sold as bath salts.

My only other guess is that it also could be Adderrall or Methamphetamine.

Ring - My best friend of 22 years that I served with in the Marines is now a Psychologist and addiction specialist at VA Buffalo. They are seeing a rash of exactly the types of behaviors you are describing. The VA has sent out several messages regarding this type of thing, and the active duty folks can now get NJP for using any type of synthetics. I had him explain this crazy shit to me one night over a few cold ones and that is how I sorta know about this shit. Most of the time he explained to me that people were taking huge doses of these synthetics because they had no idea how much to do - hence the sudden onset of symptoms.

I am hopeful it is nothing more than some bullshit Chinese synthetic drugs. Good luck and try your best to deal with one thing at a time. I think his doc is providing good insight into the situation.


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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 25, 2013 4:32pm
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There are all sorts of synthetic things these days ( that apparently can be obtained over the counter if they aren't banned like they are here )like "spice", and those " bath salts" etc. that sound like they are WAY bad news. Worse than normal street drugs. Delusions of grandeur? Could it be a manic thing? I also just saw a tv special where they are saying Ketamine or special K is all the rage too. All I know is there seems to be a lot of things out there the kids are taking that seem a HELL of a lot worse than any of the usual suspects. Most of them sound like real bummers if you ask me.

So sorry to hear this. All I know is that there are a TON of prescription drugs out there that people are taking that do bad things too. I have a relative by marriage that is pretty much nuts thanks in part to this. Any way you can get him tested before some shrink wants to put him on other psycho active drugs? Good luck : ( parenting is hard and stressful, believe me I know.

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Poster: Dancin'Deb Date: Feb 25, 2013 5:59pm
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Hi Ring, this sounds so overwhelming...I'm sorry that your family is experiencing something so frightening. I'm not sure I can add much except that I've heard that Ecstasy is a pretty dangerous drug these days...dangerous in the sense that it is easy to add/substitute other chemicals in it. I don't know what the lasting effects are of these additions/substitutions.
I will keep you and your son in my prayers and focus good energy your way. I hope that you are able to figure this out and help your son recover from whatever has caused this. Please don't hesitate to ask if there is something I can do to help.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Feb 26, 2013 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Out of retirement for this one........

ring -

So sorry to hear about what's going on - I could read the parental terror in your post and couldn't sit idly by.

I've been through a very similar situation - thank God, now suceessfully resolved.

I'll be blunt....it's time for some invasive and intrusive parenting. You have to find out exactly what your son used or is using. The tricky part will be to get him when he is lucid and approachable so you can sit down in a comfortable setting and come at him with all the unconditional, parental love and concern you have in as non-threatening and non-confrontational atmosphere as possible.

But make no mistake, you need to figure this out before permanent damage is done. Spice, Bath Slats, X, something else.....whatever. YOU NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT FAST.

What you have described sounds EXACTLY like a reaction to Spice or Bath Salts - JOTS mentioned both of these in his response. With no prior observable behavioral changes and what is an apparent acute onset, coupled with a timeline that supports the current symptoms, I would as you do, strongly suspect that whatever he used happened during the Christmas break. The delusional reactions you described are very similar to what we experienced and with near 100% certainty it was caused by Spice. Spice is nasty, nasty shit. Unfortunately, there is very little data out there as Spice is for the most part entirely uncontrolled. Medical data is very sparse as far as observed reactions to the widely varying chemical shit storm that's in Spice.

We were lucky, we got out in front of our situation and stopped it cold before lasting damage was done.

I rambled a lot, but wanted to throw my shoulder out there for you to lean on. I walked this path before and can only hope I can help here.

Best of luck, you are in my prayers.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Feb 27, 2013 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

Ring,
From experience, meditation & diet can clear many things up & remove toxins from the body.

Meditate as a family beginning with a couple of minutes at a certain time of day. (http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/spiritualGrowth.aspx?id=2079)

- nothing drastic except fresh fruits & veggies, a little egg, meat & dairy. Minimize sucrose & grains (a couple of slices of bread per week) &

NO HFCS, fried, fast &/or pre-processed foods or carbonated drinks (& skip the alcohol too- if that is an issue).

Try to avoid the (anti)psych drugs- they are worse than useless unless you cannot control your son. My experience suggests that a legitimate herbal treatment (for many) is kanna (aka sceletium tortuosum). It must be used in the proper dosages & frequency (50-100mg bid/tid- not to excess...)

Many things can scramble our brain chemistry- but it doesn't have to scar our souls. Just use plenty of the fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith) & pray with & for your son.

God Bless.
Prayers & love to you & yours,
Jack

PS There is hope! I have gone from virtually homeless to quite successful in work & relationships (both with God & others) in less than 3 years by following the above. JoR

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 26, 2013 7:39am
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Sorry to hear about this Ring. As someone who has been through some similar things, and seen similar situations, I thought I'd give my perspective.

First off, trying to pinpoint exactly what's causing his behavior will be difficult, as I suspect he will be reluctant to share all the details of his substance use with you. I still would never share those details with my folks. The important thing is that he gets the help and support he needs. I would emphasize to him how important it is that he be 100% honest with his psychiatrist, if he wants to get better. However, please also carefully review any medication his psychiatrist considers prescribing him. I think the majority of these "mood stabilizing" drugs that doctors prescribe do more harm than good. Depending on what he gets diagnosed with, if anything, I would use medications as a last resort. Addressing the underlying problem is what's important. For this, a psychologist may be more useful.

As for the weed, I think it's possible that it's the cause. And this is coming from one of the biggest weed advocates you'll ever find. I have a friend who has schizophrenia and from what I've seen, schizophrenics (along with people with some other mental disorders) are more strongly affected by weed, and it often brings out symptoms that are normally manageable. It's certainly possible that he has a minor mental disorder, and these symptoms were brought on by his recent weed habit. There is more and more research that continues to come out about the effects of weed on a developing brain. Since he is only 19, I definitely see this as a possibility. And weed HAS continued to get stronger and stronger in recent years. If he started smoking fairly recently, then his tolerance is going to be low, and any good quality stuff he smokes will have a very strong effect on him.

He also could have gotten weed that was laced with PCP, though I suspect his symptoms would be gone by now, unless he continues to smoke laced weed. It's almost always the younger people who get laced products, and seeing as he's 19, the likelihood of him getting laced weed goes up greatly. About 5 years ago, a buddy of mine had a really bad reaction to a batch of laced stuff and experienced similar symptoms to what you mention for several weeks.

The fact that he said he's done E is also troubling though. Unless you are getting from a very reliable source, you just don't know what you're getting when you get E. There are many different substances that he could have unknowingly ingested if he's messed around with that stuff.

DMT is scary stuff and can also trigger psychotic episodes. Your son needs to know how dangerous hallucinogens like this can be. Since he is already experiencing some schizophrenic-like symptoms, he really needs to make sure he doesn't touch any hallucinogens. While weed can bring out underlying symptoms of mental disorders, hallucinogens can REALLY bring out these symptoms, and it is a definite possibility that he had a latent mental disorder which was brought on by use of hallucinogens.

I think the most important thing you can do is to just support your son and make sure he knows you will do anything you can to help him. You can try to educate him about how dangerous these substances are, but that may just go in one ear and out the other. Doesn't hurt to try though. He will only make the decision to stay away from this stuff on his own, and sometimes it just takes a little time to grow up. A few years back, I just didn't care how unhealthy I was being with my habits. Other people hounding me about my lifestyle did nothing to change it. It wasn't until I matured a bit that I realized I had to change. Your son will get through this rough patch, just as I got through mine. I know how hard I made things for the people around me (including my mother), so I have an idea of how difficult this situation is on you. Feel free to e-mail me (rdenirojb87 AT yahoo) if you like. I wish you and your family the best.

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Poster: august_wst Date: Feb 28, 2013 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help

Sometimes the simplest explanations can be the right ones. There have been numerous studies that have shown a link between regular marijuana use and schizophrenia in certain populations. It's not a high rate, but there is a direct link. It tends to show itself in young adults mostly (as a matter of fact schizophrenia tends to show itself in that age bracket more than any other). Does that mean it's the cause, may, maybe not. And it may not be something that can be proved to be the culprit. But it's something that can't be discounted. Ultimately it may not even matter what the cause is if the situation is permanent (which I pray it is not for you).

Spice and K2 (legal cannabis substitutes) have also been being linked to similar problem. So examine that as well.

Stay on top of his treatment though! He is luck to have you there. Ultimately if he is to recover, staying on top of it will be key.

Now I am sure I will blasted by many pro cannabis advocates and that's fine, I have a lot of peer reviewed research on my side. And I am not bad mouthing pot either. Even the safest of drugs can have harmful side effects in small numbers of people.

This post was modified by august_wst on 2013-02-28 16:00:12

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 28, 2013 6:29pm
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Hey AW--no argument here; the data show precisely this relationship (as you note, the onset timeline for males fits w when they are likely to be doing it, blah, blah, blah...thus, the "organic cause + environmental stimulus = mainfestation!").

The good news is that as so many describe above, and elsewhere, the outlook is far better than it was, and the (already obvious) support of mom and pop are vital...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Feb 26, 2013 2:58pm
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I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this nightmare. I wish I could offer more than good thoughts, but I'm afraid my experience is rather limited. Seems you're in good hands around here. It amazes me how much pharmaceutical knowledge there is around here. Parenting is a lifetime job.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Feb 25, 2013 5:32pm
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ringo I'm afraid can't offer any insight into your situation, but I can send you my positive thoughts, healing vibes,
prayers and hopes that a positive resolution occurs quickly

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Feb 25, 2013 5:53pm
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Ring,I called a friend who is really intelligent and has always been very knowledgeable on the current drug culture and when he returns my call if he gives me any relevant information I will gladly pass it along to you.

I'll mirror fenario80 in wishing you and your family all the best.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Feb 25, 2013 7:30pm
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I doubt it's DMT, sounds more like Salvia. I would also suggest dark spiritual forces, but not many want to go there except with zombiehollywood stuff, To hell with it, get on your knee's and pray for an answer and for wisdom. I realize that prayer is a big buzz word but I've seen some spiritual healings in my time. Imho, fear feeds the problem, be sober and fearless

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 26, 2013 7:36am
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Just want to say I'm overwhelmed by the outpouring of help and kindness. I'm at work this morning and can't write much more - way, way behind at work, I'm fortunate I have a comfortable work situation and supportive boss - but SO much appreciate everyone's kind thoughts and advice, including several who have written to me privately. I will write more very soon. Love to you all.

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Feb 26, 2013 8:12am
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Ring: Where do you (or more importantly you son) live?

The reason I ask (as CosmicCharlie suggested) it's more likely that your son's experience is related to smoking Salvia than DMT.

I say that for two reasons: 1) DMT is not particularly easy to find / purchase, certainly not as easy as almost any other "drug", i.e., weed, coke, mushrooms, LSD, Ecstasy, etc. 2) Depending upon what state you live in (assuming you live in USA) Salvia is SUPER easy to get. In some states it is illegal (in Florida it's considered a schedule 1 drug, same as heroin & (unbelievably) marijuana) while in other states it's completely unregulated & therefore legal to buy. In states where it is unregulated, almost all "head shops" sell it for about $20/packet, & it comes in varying different strengths, i.e., 5X, 10X, 20X, 50X, & even 100X (which IMHO is absolute lunacy).

You can google "Salvia" for more info &/or search youtube for all kinds of videos of kids smoking it. Over the last few years Salvia has been extremely popular among high school / college age kids. Unfortunately, while like many natural substances (mushrooms, peyote, etc.) I think Salvia can have positive benefits, the potential for abuse is high. Most importantly as it relates to you / your son, Salvia is one of the strongest, most intense psychedelic substances one can ingest, and should only be done in the right setting & with an experienced user / coach / guide present who can help assist you on the journey. Further, if that is in fact what your son smoked, he definitely had no business smoking salvia without prior experience with other psychedlic substances, as Salvia is most definitely NOT for the uninitiated.

As others have written, I think it's very unlikely your son's delusional experiences (assuming they are/were drug-related) were due to smoking weed or even synthetic weed. Much more likely due to bath salts or Salvia. Either way, best of luck to your family, I hope everything works out OK & this ends up being a learning experience for your son.

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Poster: Incornsyucopia Date: Feb 26, 2013 8:49am
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So sorry you're having to deal with this ringolevio. It sounds a lot like what happened to one of my older brothers. He was around the same age and began to have similar problems: delusions of grandeur, manic energy, extreme sociability, etc. After a full on crazy episode my parents had him committed and he was diagnosed bi-polar although he certainly shows signs of paranoid schizophrenia. He had also started using various drugs in the year or two before the symptoms started but I really think it would have come out anyway. Mental illness seems to often find its first expression in the late teens when drug use is most common: coincidence not causation.

Best wishes to you and your family in dealing with this.

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Poster: jackaroe_RI Date: Feb 26, 2013 4:14pm
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Unfortunately you CANNOT rule out ecstasy as a probable cause/trigger. You wouldn't if the product was actually pure MDA or MDMA, but as you can see from the below link quasi legal synthetics are more likely to be sold and misrepresented.
Check your location against this chart and see if any of the adulterated pills are circulating there.
Notice that some test as mephedrone ,which is bad news, but after time off or a med script / adjustment he can recover and show less apathy/mania.
Good Luck

http://www.ecstasydata.org/

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 26, 2013 3:15pm
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Thoughts and prayers to you and yours.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 25, 2013 8:44pm
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Ring: gosh, such difficult news to deal with...nothing concrete to offer, but FWIW. Hope you find something out soon.

Been thru vaguely similar things with a couple of folks; both ended up being organic (ie, mental illness). This is NOT intended to dispel the (better, obviously) explanation of it being an acute onset, drug related incident (that can be reversed, at some level). Both of the kids were males, and it occurred in their late teens. Neither were involved in drugs at the time.

Bottomline: drug treatments for the serious mental health conditions is BIG business, and you must be v careful with docs and the approaches they take (get second opinions). I'd be inclined to proceed as if it is an organic illness, and take it slow...?

Hang in there; very, very difficult...

EDIT: just to echo Rose, esp as my post might seem stark and clinical, the illness diagnosis is not at all what it was just a decade ago...difficult and complex to be sure, but if after a few wks you find yourself considering that scenario over the drug induced psychosis, take heart in the amazing advances they have made in this domain.

Boys of this age group, via exposure to drugs and singular, acute emotional distress, and though rare, may manifest these dramatic and shocking sorts of responses, that almost invariably moderate with age, and most of all, love and attention.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 25, 2013 5:12pm
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Definitely sounds like more than pot. I've been a smoker for decades, and this "1000 times more potent" stuff is baloney. In my opinion, it would take a hell of a lot of pot to make someone act like that.

And to add a personal anecdote, I also started smoking pot regularly in the waning days of high school, and I'm sure that my mood and overall attitude changed a bit around that time. Waking up to the realities of the wider world, sometimes with the aid of psychedelics or whatever, can be frightening and depressing. I started to question our lifestyle and to resent my parents' choices. As much as I fondly remember those heady days, I know there was a lot of darkness too.

Best thing you can do is try to engage him in the things that he loves. Create situations where you have big chunks of time where it's just you and him. Talk to him frankly about what it was like when you were young -- things that frightened you, times that you felt like you were losing control. Sounds trite, but love is the answer. If you start snooping on him and try to force him into therapy or rehab he's likely to create further distance.

It was brave of you to share your story with us. I wish you and your family all the best.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 26, 2013 8:01am
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It’s tough playing arm chair psychologist without a complete background and history, but in general most “irrational” behavior stems from either trauma, fear or anger.

And unless he’s tweaking 24/7 the drug speculation is probably not the root cause of the behavior but certainly may have contributed to the escalation of the behavior. Bullying and exposure to bizarre content on the internet and video games can impact a young persons imagination in negative ways.

There comes a time in a young mans life when relationships outside the nest should be of greater interest and for many the fear of leaving the nest and assuming independence and responsibility are heavy issues.

If there’s a conflict in your relationship with your son it will take time to open up the doors of communication.

Grab a copy of Saint Misbehavin, sit down together, view and let the healing begin. This documentary covers a lot of ground in an hour and a half, Wavy is a much greater humanitarian than previously imagined or when referenced to the general public opinion. Mr. Romney should be considered for his prophecy, or sainthood, or perhaps just a regular all around good person is probably enough acknowledgment for his life’s purpose and work.

It’s been said; “dolphins have a real porpoise in life!” :-)

just my $.02



This post was modified by dark.starz on 2013-02-26 16:01:56

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